diff --git a/src/vt/collective/reduce/allreduce/rabenseifner.h b/src/vt/collective/reduce/allreduce/rabenseifner.h
index 1780e7fc72..b57d699d56 100644
--- a/src/vt/collective/reduce/allreduce/rabenseifner.h
+++ b/src/vt/collective/reduce/allreduce/rabenseifner.h
@@ -88,7 +88,7 @@ struct Rabenseifner {
   static constexpr bool KokkosPaylod = ShouldUseView_v<Scalar, DataT>;
 
   template <typename ...Args>
-  Rabenseifner(detail::StrongVrtProxy proxy, Args&&... args);
+  Rabenseifner(detail::StrongVrtProxy proxy, detail::StrongGroup group, size_t num_elems, Args&&... args);
 
   template <typename ...Args>
   Rabenseifner(detail::StrongGroup group, Args&&... args);
@@ -96,8 +96,8 @@ struct Rabenseifner {
   template <typename ...Args>
   Rabenseifner(vt::objgroup::proxy::Proxy<ObjT> proxy, Args&&... args);
 
-  template <typename IdxT>
-  void localReduce(IdxT idx);
+  template <typename ...Args>
+  void localReduce(size_t id, Args&&... args);
   /**
    * \brief Initialize the allreduce algorithm.
    *
@@ -271,7 +271,10 @@ struct Rabenseifner {
 
   vt::objgroup::proxy::Proxy<Rabenseifner> proxy_ = {};
   vt::objgroup::proxy::Proxy<ObjT> parent_proxy_ = {};
+
   VirtualProxyType collection_proxy_ = {};
+  uint32_t local_col_wait_count_ = {};
+  size_t local_num_elems_ = {};
 
   size_t id_ = 0;
   std::unordered_map<size_t, StateT> states_ = {};
diff --git a/src/vt/collective/reduce/allreduce/rabenseifner.impl.h b/src/vt/collective/reduce/allreduce/rabenseifner.impl.h
index fbdc7d77a7..b8cc4eed83 100644
--- a/src/vt/collective/reduce/allreduce/rabenseifner.impl.h
+++ b/src/vt/collective/reduce/allreduce/rabenseifner.impl.h
@@ -41,6 +41,7 @@
 //@HEADER
 */
 
+#include "vt/configs/debug/debug_printconst.h"
 #if !defined INCLUDED_VT_COLLECTIVE_REDUCE_ALLREDUCE_RABENSEIFNER_IMPL_H
 #define INCLUDED_VT_COLLECTIVE_REDUCE_ALLREDUCE_RABENSEIFNER_IMPL_H
 
@@ -62,15 +63,39 @@
 namespace vt::collective::reduce::allreduce {
 
 template <typename DataT, template <typename Arg> class Op, auto finalHandler>
-template <typename ...Args>
-Rabenseifner<DataT, Op, finalHandler>::Rabenseifner(detail::StrongVrtProxy proxy, Args&&... data){
-  vt_debug_print(terse, allreduce, "Rabenseifner: proxy={:x} \n", proxy.get());
+template <typename... Args>
+Rabenseifner<DataT, Op, finalHandler>::Rabenseifner(
+  detail::StrongVrtProxy proxy, detail::StrongGroup group, size_t num_elems,
+  Args&&... data)
+  : Rabenseifner<DataT, Op, finalHandler>(group, std::forward<Args>(data)...) {
+  collection_proxy_ = proxy.get();
+  local_num_elems_ = num_elems;
+  local_col_wait_count_++;
+  vt_debug_print(
+    terse, allreduce,
+    "Rabenseifner (this={}): proxy={:x} local_num_elems={} ID={} is_ready={}\n",
+    print_ptr(this), proxy.get(), local_num_elems_, id_,
+    local_col_wait_count_ == local_num_elems_);
 }
 
 template <typename DataT, template <typename Arg> class Op, auto finalHandler>
-template <typename IdxT>
-void Rabenseifner<DataT, Op, finalHandler>::localReduce(IdxT idx){
-    vt_debug_print(terse, allreduce, "Rabenseifner: idx={} \n", idx);
+template <typename... Args>
+void Rabenseifner<DataT, Op, finalHandler>::localReduce(
+  size_t id, Args&&... ) {
+  local_col_wait_count_++;
+
+  // auto& state = states_.at(id_);
+  // DataHelper<Scalar, DataT>::reduce(state.val_, std::forward<Args>(data)...);
+  auto const is_ready = local_col_wait_count_ == local_num_elems_;
+  vt_debug_print(
+    terse, allreduce, "Rabenseifner (this={}): local_col_wait_count_={} ID={} is_ready={} num_states={}\n",
+    print_ptr(this), local_col_wait_count_, id_, is_ready, states_.size()
+  );
+
+  if(is_ready){
+    allreduce(id);
+  }
+
 }
 
 template <typename DataT, template <typename Arg> class Op, auto finalHandler>
diff --git a/src/vt/vrt/collection/manager.h b/src/vt/vrt/collection/manager.h
index 21166066e9..1c4f48f63d 100644
--- a/src/vt/vrt/collection/manager.h
+++ b/src/vt/vrt/collection/manager.h
@@ -1776,7 +1776,6 @@ struct CollectionManager
 
   // Allreduce stuff, probably should be moved elsewhere
   std::unordered_map<VirtualProxyType, ObjGroupProxyType> rabenseifner_reducers_;
-  std::unordered_map<VirtualProxyType, uint32_t> waiting_count_ = {};
 };
 
 }}} /* end namespace vt::vrt::collection */
diff --git a/src/vt/vrt/collection/manager.impl.h b/src/vt/vrt/collection/manager.impl.h
index cdce21e620..9caf98a247 100644
--- a/src/vt/vrt/collection/manager.impl.h
+++ b/src/vt/vrt/collection/manager.impl.h
@@ -893,43 +893,29 @@ messaging::PendingSend CollectionManager::reduceLocal(
   auto const group = elm_holder->group();
   bool const use_group = group_ready && send_group;
 
-  // First time here
-  if (waiting_count_[col_proxy] == 0) {
+  if (auto reducer = rabenseifner_reducers_.find(col_proxy);
+      reducer == rabenseifner_reducers_.end()) {
     if (use_group) {
       // theGroup()->allreduce<f, Op>(group, );
     } else {
       auto obj_proxy = theObjGroup()->makeCollective<Reducer>(
         "reducer", collective::reduce::detail::StrongVrtProxy{col_proxy},
-        std::forward<Args>(args)...
-      );
+        collective::reduce::detail::StrongGroup{group},
+        num_elms,
+        std::forward<Args>(args)...);
 
       rabenseifner_reducers_[col_proxy] = obj_proxy.getProxy();
       obj_proxy[theContext()->getNode()].get()->proxy_ = obj_proxy;
-
-      obj_proxy[theContext()->getNode()].get()->localReduce(idx);
     }
-  }else{
+  } else {
     if (use_group) {
       // theGroup()->allreduce<f, Op>(group, );
     } else {
       auto obj_proxy = rabenseifner_reducers_.at(col_proxy);
-      auto typed_proxy = static_cast<vt::objgroup::proxy::Proxy<Reducer>>(obj_proxy);
-      typed_proxy[theContext()->getNode()].get()->localReduce(idx);
-    }
-  }
-
-  waiting_count_[col_proxy]++;
-  bool is_ready = waiting_count_[col_proxy] == num_elms;
-  vt_debug_print(
-    terse, allreduce, "reduceLocal: idx={} num_elms={} is_ready={}\n", idx,
-    num_elms, is_ready);
-  if (is_ready) {
-    if (use_group) {
-      // theGroup()->allreduce<f, Op>(group, );
-    } else {
-      auto obj_proxy = rabenseifner_reducers_[col_proxy];
-      auto typed_proxy = static_cast<vt::objgroup::proxy::Proxy<Reducer>>(obj_proxy);
-      typed_proxy[theContext()->getNode()].get()->localReduce(idx);
+      auto typed_proxy =
+        static_cast<vt::objgroup::proxy::Proxy<Reducer>>(obj_proxy);
+      auto* obj = typed_proxy[theContext()->getNode()].get();
+      obj->localReduce(obj->id_ - 1);
     }
   }
 
diff --git a/tests/perf/allreduce.cc b/tests/perf/allreduce.cc
index 9166056f2d..7b9c806544 100644
--- a/tests/perf/allreduce.cc
+++ b/tests/perf/allreduce.cc
@@ -274,14 +274,8 @@ VT_PERF_TEST(MyTest, test_allreduce_group_rabenseifner) {
 
 struct Hello : vt::Collection<Hello, vt::Index1D> {
   Hello() = default;
-  void FInalHan(NodeType result) {
-    fmt::print("Allreduce result is {} \n", result);
-  }
-  void AllredHandler(NodeType result) {
-    fmt::print("Allreduce result is {} \n", result);
-
-    auto proxy = this->getCollectionProxy();
-    proxy.allreduce_h<&Hello::FInalHan, collective::PlusOp>(theContext()->getNode());
+  void FInalHan(std::vector<int32_t> result) {
+    fmt::print("Allreduce handler\n");
   }
 
   void Handler() {
@@ -289,7 +283,8 @@ struct Hello : vt::Collection<Hello, vt::Index1D> {
 
     fmt::print("[{}] Hello from idx={} \n", theContext()->getNode(), getIndex());
     // proxy.reduce<&Hello::AllredHandler, collective::PlusOp>(theContext()->getNode(), theContext()->getNode());
-    proxy.allreduce_h<&Hello::FInalHan, collective::PlusOp>(theContext()->getNode());
+    std::vector<int32_t> payload(100, theContext()->getNode());
+    proxy.allreduce_h<&Hello::FInalHan, collective::PlusOp>(std::move(payload));
     col_send_done_ = true;
   }