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Possibility of a ban? #11

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thatdood12 opened this issue Jan 20, 2020 · 25 comments
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Possibility of a ban? #11

thatdood12 opened this issue Jan 20, 2020 · 25 comments
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@thatdood12
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How "safe" would you assume this is, I know BSG hates people doing stuff that they don't enjoy. Would it be considered moderately safe if you're of course so spamming the buy and sell on ragfair?
@dank
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dank commented Jan 20, 2020 •
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I can't answer this question with certainty, best way to find out is to test the limits until you get banned. Frankly, I haven't done that for the same reason you probably don't want to.

I will say that I have used my library extensively for the past week testing and developing it without worrying about a potential ban.

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dank commented Jan 20, 2020

I'll reopen this issue for further discussions, maybe other people can answer this question better.

@thatdood12
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Hm okay, I really only want to use this for checking prices via ragfair, I have no plans on buying / selling so maybe this is less "risky"

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@ahmetabdi
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high chance of ban they monitor the requests that are being sent, you will be banned.

https://github.com/Kurt212/TarkovTradeBot/blob/master/README.md

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dank commented Jan 21, 2020

@ahmetabdi that repo is missing a lot of headers, doesn't surprise me they got banned. I've been doing the same thing described in the README and I haven't been banned so far.

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Crossy101 commented Jan 31, 2020 •
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As long as you keep the requests at a suitable rate/humanlike then you should be okay. I believe 5-6 requests per second should be okay/max. As that's what most people do.

They do track how many requests you do and if it exceeds a certain amount or your account gains a huge amount of trading points or money in a short amount of time you will be banned.

@garrettjoecox
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5 requests per second would not look human IMO...

I've got a random sleep anywhere from 3 to 15 seconds between each of my requests. Takes longer to do things but less risk...

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dank commented Feb 3, 2020 •
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@garrettjoecox it doesn’t matter, it takes a random time to get past their load balancer, network, etc (rtt is almost never the same). Your request will never be exactly n seconds apart especially if you’re using thread::sleep.

@garrettjoecox
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Earned myself an account, HWID, and IP ban. Beware, I was hitting it once every 3-5 seconds :)

Gonna open source my lib as well in case anyone wants to give it a go.

@Crossy101
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@garrettjoecox This was using this Rust library right? How do you know your HWID banned? Did you confirm this?

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@garrettjoecox same here. They must have done a sweep. Not sure about HWID and IP ban but my account is banned. I don't plan on buying a new copy to see if everything is banned. I imagine if you really want to find a way around these you can (change mac address, hard reset of cable modem, etc.) I was doing 3-5 seconds as well with no concurrent requests. I was buying stuff from the flea market at prices lower than what the vendor would pay, then turning around and selling to the computer vendors (Therapist, Skier, Jaeger).

Oh well, this was a fun learning experience. My trader program was my first Rust program ever. Very interesting language. Also, I made like 16 million rubles in a few days so I ran wild with equipment :)

Nice, yep was literally doing the same exact thing, worked alright :)

https://github.com/garrettjoecox/tarkov-scripts

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Crossy101 commented Feb 12, 2020 •
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Well I haven't been banned for over 3 months and have over 100m+ and I do 2-3 requests a second. So I have no clue why or how you got banned. I don't think it was your bot tbh.

ps. I earn over 30mil+ in 12 hours.

Although I do not run the bot 24/7 I turn my Web Service off in the day.

@garrettjoecox
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I shared my bot with two friends and they were both banned as well, and they hardly used it. I think the most recent update left in a little honeypot but who knows

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Crossy101 commented Feb 12, 2020 •
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Lmfao they probably didn't that's what I'm thinking actually. There was both a game version and launcher update and I instantly changed the version numbers.

@garrettjoecox
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I did actually, and both times they were updated my bot was offline, so I never made a request with the wrong version

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Crossy101 commented Feb 12, 2020 •
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Then I have no clue why you got banned, both your friends and I didn't. I guess I got super lucky with it.

@garrettjoecox
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I didn't thoroughly look through the decompiled latest patch, but if I had to guess, they might have updated one of these tm values in the requests, I was always sketched out by that random hardcoded value

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Crossy101 commented Feb 12, 2020 •
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Btw I didn't run my bot yesterday much but when I did it came back with an error on the Profile Request saying it doesn't match and I updated the new class so they might have updated the API and you guys were just sending bad requests.

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rezicG commented Feb 12, 2020 •
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I have my bot running a request to get all items, its vendor prices and a request per item to get each of their market listings. That's over 2000 requests in a span of 3-5 minutes, up to 10 times a day (once every 4 hours, plus manual runs when I'm testing), and I'm fine so far, though I've only had it up for a couple of days.

Could it be they are simply monitoring unusual activity on the market? I don't use mine to buy or sell, just gather prices. Maybe I should move the bot to an external server and get a separate account or it just to be safe.

@garrettjoecox
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Thought it was a HWID or IP ban cause all the launcher requests were failing, but I just re-installed and it’s fine, so just an account ban, might be back in business 😅

@Crossy101
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I thought they wouldn't HWID ban you for a bot they gotta make money some how! 👍

@garrettjoecox
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I've got another report of a user being banned for selling items back to the trader, so I would advise against that, seems to be a common denominator.

@Crossy101
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Crossy101 commented Feb 18, 2020 •
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I don't think they would ban for just selling items back to a trader. That would be a quite a bad way of knowing if people are botting to be honest.

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lflare commented Feb 20, 2020

Would just like to add-on that I was just buying flea market items and selling it back to the NPC traders and I got banned on two accounts :).

It probably isn't just banned for selling items back to a trader, but the volume of trade involved in a specific window of time :).

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