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Adding JOSS to Web of Science / Clarivate #1283
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As noted here, we've (re)submitted: #153 (comment) |
Thanks @arfon. The resubmission was back in May, which is why we're inquiring about updates. A video on the WoS Publisher Portal says there's an Evaluation Tracker that should provide some insights about the current status of the submission. Does it tell us anything? |
Not much sorry. Just checked the portal and this is all of the information available. |
I just reached out to Clarivate to check on the status and got this response:
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the journal review criteria: https://clarivate.com/products/scientific-and-academic-research/research-discovery-and-workflow-solutions/webofscience-platform/web-of-science-core-collection/editorial-selection-process/editorial-selection-process/ Initial Triage:
Editorial Triage:
Editorial evaluation (quality)
Editorial evaluation (impact)
So i would love to know the reason they rejected us, because we easily pass every check |
Using dimensions, the JIF score (which i don't endorse, but I know orgs like WoS do) Using 2021 and 2022 data (since this is what clarivate seems to do, lag by a year?) divided by 2 to get mean citations in 2023 since I can't get citations in a single year for works in two years in dimensions: 10K/2 = 5000 Total works in 2021 and 2022: 730 So joss had an IF: so like not trying to be the most prestigious journal in the world, but then browsing the "computer science, software engineering" category on WoS's journal metrics platform, sorting by JIF, JOSS would have the 9th highest JIF out of 132 journals. So it can't be the "JOSS isn't cited enough" I wonder what's different about JOSS than other journals... hmm... 🤔 |
rather than continuing to beg the black box for a different arbitrary decision, or another roll of the dice... Perhaps the JOSS community might want to turn the attention to working on eliminating "Does the journal have a Clarivate assigned Journal Impact Factor™?" from hiring, promotion, tenure, and salary review processes, wherever those thought-bunkers may be found? At the end of the day Clarivate is fully entitled to choose an arbitrary list of journals to annoint with a proprietary and statistically illiterate number (the Journal Impact Factor™) and also which journals they care NOT to give a proprietary and statistically illiterate number to. I would abandon the notion that Clarivate is necessarily fair, wise, or well-intentioned - they have a product to sell and a lucrative tradition to maintain. The strategy to approach this problem needs to be different. Time to help the organizational users of these statistically illiterate numbers and arbitrary inclusion/non-inclusion journal lists to see sense? |
To be clear the last thing i was suggesting was that they were a fair player that followed their rules, just pointing out how obviously they don't. I think in this case OP is saying they have a direct need in order to be able to publish their work in JOSS, but i also think we can 'do both' - continue trying to replace the world of proprietary metrics and also hassle and mock them about their editorial practices |
Can we get clarification/confirmation from anyone who would know whether we received notice or any justification from clarivate re: refusal to index? |
Surely you can send a follow-up message asking for the reasons JOSS was rejected? |
@MikeTaylor I agree, it would be nice to get more information, but I think any followup needs to come from the JOSS editors who submitted the application. |
@arfon - can you say what email was received? |
We received a desk rejection (based on an initial check) as we don't have :
I'm planning on adding this information to the JOSS site in the coming weeks, but haven't got around to it yet. As it was a desk rejection, once we have made these changes we can immediately resubmit.
Right. While I appreciate the enthusiasm here ❤ , I'd strongly prefer for the communications with Clarivate, Scopus, any external entity to come from the JOSS editorial team directly. |
@arfon Oh, I strongly agree! When I wrote "Surely you can send a follow-up message asking for the reasons JOSS was rejected?" the "you" was meant to refer to the JOSS editorial team! |
So if i've got the timeline right, we submitted last May and it took them this long to desk reject us for not having a listed address? (the editor titles and affiliations do seem to be listed) And this is after a prior attempt at being indexed |
If there are any news, I would also be interested. |
What is the postal address for the publisher? I'm not sure what this term means, or what we might list for it. Are we expected to list Arfon's home mailing address? I'm not sure that that's a good idea... |
I've known other journals that were published by individuals (usually retired/former academics) and where the publisher's address reported in the journal was the publisher's home address. So this situation isn't entirely unheard of. Whether Arfon wants his home mailing address disclosed is something he'd have to decide for himself. (It's not clear to me whether WoS wants this address published in JOSS, or simply disclosed privately to Clarivate.) If the address needs to be made public and Arfon doesn't want to give his home address, then some possible options would be:
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I'm pretty sure if one did some sleuthing one would find many instances of Clarivate indexed journals that give a PO box as their address. I don't have an example to hand, but I'd be willing to bet there are many. |
I believe there are "virtual PO box" options too, where physical mail can be scanned and forwarded electronically. For example see https://www.anytimemailbox.com which offers this for $5/mo (not an endorsement of this service, I have not used it). |
I am just adding here again that many institutions check annual performances based on Web of Science-listed journals. Thus, this is a huge consideration when submitting a paper. |
As the postal address for the publisher, perhaps we should be using NumFOCUS's address as our fiscal sponsor |
This seems like a good suggestion @danielskatz, do you know who can "action" this? |
We don't really have anyone specifically in charge of this, which means it kind of falls to @arfon at this point, though a volunteer could offer to take charge |
@danielskatz Are there any news about the publisher's address? Now, I'm no member of the editorial board, but I'd be glad to help with some administration, if it's possible from my position :) |
We think we should use the NumFOCUS address, as they are our fiscal sponsor. They are listed on https://numfocus.org as |
@danielskatz Great! If there's anything I could help with in this direction, don't hesitate to ask. And good luck anyway! |
@MartinBeseda - to be honest, we need someone who wants to put some time into organizing this and making it happen... |
@danielskatz Well, I should have some time for that, if it's acceptable for you. |
The vibe I get on this is do-ocracy: if ya wanna do it, please do :) |
I think that's quite right - go for it @MartinBeseda. I'm happy to comment on ideas and give feedback, or provide information... Thanks!! |
[Creating a new issue from this discussion on PubMed indexing.]
JOSS is not currently included in the Web of Science / Clarivate master list of journals. This is a problem because my employer's annual salary review process only considers articles that are indexed by Web of Science. Can we get JOSS included in the WoS master list?
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