Does pkarr can work like nomen

[metacatdud]

I saw recently this https://nomenexplorer.com/ and thought about your project.
Given the keep-alive feature, I think it might be used this way with no problem.

I think is even better as you can use advertisements to change the key with another key such as
https://app.pkarr.org/?pk=9t8bzth7d9qng7gm3yoa165c1gge9mbe3gifaoq7bwocrojkrbsy

mydomain "some pub key" could rotate pretty easily to something like "some pub key 2" if we assume a client trusts "9t8bzth7d9qng7gm3yoa165c1gge9mbe3gifaoq7bwocrojkrbsy"? Right?

//EDIT add further ref:
To give more context: https://stacker.news/items/256435

Just want to hear your thoughts.
Cheers!

[Nuhvi]

My thoughts is that Nostr developers keep pretending that Nostr itself doesn't have a routing problem. They assume that knowing an npub is enough to find data linked to that key, ignoring that you need to also assume where you should look, and that if the npub isn't published on one of the handful of popular relays, they can't be found.

So even after you spam the Bitcoin chain with your nomen transaction, resolving the actual data corresponding to that Bitcoin key is just as uncertain and relies on the good grace of the handful of popular Nostr relays.

Moreover, unique human-readable names are awful anyways and shouldn't be encouraged, because it is an artificial scarcity that has no reason to exist, instead, people should embrace the Petname system that was mentioned in the first NIP.

Pkarr is a better solution as it does not depend on any hardcoded set of relays or endpoints, and you can publish your updates from anywhere knowing that they can't be censored by any bottleneck, but unfortunately, Nostr is using secp and convincing all these client developers to adapt to using ed25519 keys as the root of identity is very hard, especially since even simple stuff like nip05 isn't supported by all clients.

So in conclusion, Pkarr is a solution to the ICANN problem, Nostr-based DNS is not, but that doesn't stop people from pretending.

That being said, if someone is willing to build Nostr client(s) that use Pkarr like you described (a better alternative to nip05) I encourage them and would support them if they needed any advice.

[metacatdud]

My thoughts is that Nostr developers keep pretending that Nostr itself doesn't have a routing problem. They assume that knowing an npub is enough to find data linked to that key, ignoring that you need to also assume where you should look, and that if the npub isn't published on one of the handful of popular relays, they can't be found.

This is very annoying as quite often I run into inconsistencies when I see a post of a photo but no photo or missing comments etc ... With the current design I think this is very hard to solve.

So even after you spam the Bitcoin chain with your nomen transaction, resolving the actual data corresponding to that Bitcoin key is just as uncertain and relies on the good grace of the handful of popular Nostr relays.

I thought so too. I was thinking to myself: this doesn't solve anything am I that stupid? Everyone is soo hyped.

Thanks for the reply. I think your solution super elegant.

I am trying to build a communities (whatever communities) system. Communities make sense to me, even reddit global feed is community from a tech pov as well as nostr global feed, but I don't think (or I can't see how) you can keep those running without some serious incentives.

I want to build a system where one can build a community this everything it needs as simple as possible and as pulggable as possible.
Create community, attach services and use it. And I think pkarr and ed25519 will help me achieve the decoupling I am looking for.

I think social media/network is not going to ever pay only by itself all the classics generate the revenue from other streams and the social media is just an enabler. I think is one of the reasons nostr cannot pick up the step. Why would I run a relay? Ok, maybe if I want to host community for whatever, but even then there are far better solutions.

And last but not least, social medias have the tendency of becoming toxic. You can say one inch without being told off. As far as I am concerned it was never my game :) I have a group of close friends, a group for family etc..

[Nuhvi]

@metacatdud I agree that social media is very hard to pull of especially that Twitter/X is already very good, but I feel that we are better of adapting Matrix protocol than reinventing it, it already has a lot of the very hard building blocks and experience building and moderating rooms.

[metacatdud]

Tried it a bit a while ago. Never quite got it 😁. It uses same principles as mastodon? As in federations. I felt is kind of mastodon only better?

[Nuhvi]

It is quite complex, but has solid sdks and many 3rd party clients. It is not the same as Mastodon, because your Home Server doesn't control what you see like Mastodon, rooms are replicated through home servers and admins control rooms.

Also, Matrix is trying to keep Ids separate from Home Servers to make migration easier, and they moved to OIDC (Oauth) for login with 3rd parties.

I don't think it will be easy to integrate Pkarr in Matrix without at least some feedback/guidance from the core devs, as I said, it is not simple.